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Vermont’s need to secede

The move toward independence

By Katie Gioia

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Published: Monday, March 23, 2009

Updated: Monday, March 23, 2009

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“Vermont could govern itself better.”
In making this statement, Frank Bryan, a UVM political science professor, speaks not just for himself, but voices the opinion of the growing Vermont independence movement.
    Vermont secessionists believe the federal government is corrupt and wish to make Vermont an independent republic, according to Bryan.
From 1777 to 1791, before Vermont became the fourteenth state, the federal government was different, freshman Tyler Wilkinson-Ray said.
    “The makeup of the U.S. government at that time was a lot different than it is now – it was really the United States,” he said. “Now we see a very different federal government, where the federal government has a lot of power and designates certain tasks to the states.”
Thomas Naylor, founder of Second Vermont Republic, a think tank promoting Vermont independence based in Charlotte, Vt., said that “over 75 percent of Vermonters said the U.S. government has lost its moral regard.”
“A big part of it for me is not just wanting more power,” he said. “The United States government is morally corrupt.”
Rob Williams, editor and publisher of Vermont Commons, a multimedia independent statewide news journal, said, “The federal government, we believe, has overstepped its constitutional authority in so many different ways. It’s corrupt to the core. It’s too centralized, too bloated, too unresponsive to the needs of most citizens in this country.”
Williams hopes to spread the word about Vermont independence through Vermont Commons, which publishes a newspaper six times a year, along with blogs, video and radio updates daily.
“We founded Vermont Commons in part because a number of us felt like, how are we going to get from here to there? How are we going to get from Vermont in the United States to Vermont as an independent republic?” he said.
UVM political science professor Frank Bryan agrees with the common opinion that Vermont secession is a radical movement.
“I think they [my views] are radical! There’s nothing wrong with that,” he said. “But we’re talking peaceful, we [Vermonters] are a very peaceful bunch. And we’re very safe, because we know [secession] probably isn’t going to happen.”
Wilkinson-Ray said he struggled with the notion of agreeing with a radical view.
“It is a radical idea, but I’m not a very radical person, so I was very hesitant with the whole secession idea,” he said. “It took me a lot of time to think through it and decide that I do support it.”
“I really think it is the best option for Vermont. Vermonters know their own needs. To be honest, Obama might be doing great things down in Washington, but how often do you think he thinks about Vermont?”
“I was amazed to find that I didn’t see any objective criteria that suggested we couldn’t go it alone just fine – if the country were to let us go,” he said.
Williams, who is also a professor at Champlain College, wants people to overcome the connotation of the word “secession.”
“Secession is as American as apple pie,” he said, wearing a hat with the Vermont Republic flag on it. “We’re fond of pointing out that this country was founded on the principle of secession.
“The very first action word in the Declaration of Independence is ‘dissolve,’ which is what secession means. So it’s when a smaller political group decides to leave a larger political group,” he said.
“New Englanders actually were the first group of people in the country to champion secession as an option. One of our jobs at Vermont Commons is to remind New Englanders, and Vermonters, of their own history,” Williams said.
He believes that a real discussion of an independent Vermont can begin after people realize this.
“The first question everyone would ask us once they got over the hurdle of independence is, what’s an independent Vermont going to look like in terms of energy, in terms of food, in terms of politics, in terms of education? So what we’re doing in the newspaper is exploring all of those questions.”
State representative David Zuckerman said he finds the Vermont independence movement to be “appealing.”
“In general, I think it’s an interesting discussion,” he said. “It’s certainly very complicated. In many ways, I disagree with our federal government recently. At the same time, I don’t think certain folks are fully comprehending the challenges we would face financially if we were to secede today.”
“Politically, maybe it could work, but economically, it didn’t seem feasible.” Thomas Martin, president of the College Republicans, said. “We’d have to be too dependent on the U.S. and Canada. I don’t see the point in doing it.”
Bryan agrees that Vermont is not ready to secede at this point in time and Naylor has said that “Frank Bryan is not a secessionist” because of this belief.
“If you said Vermont could secede tomorrow, I would say to you, we’re not ready to secede tomorrow. I’m glad I’m not going to see Vermont secede from the union because I’d be desperately lonely. I don’t think I even want my kids to [see it happen],” Bryan said.
Williams is on Naylor’s side.
“There’s no more critical time than now,” Williams said.
Wilkinson-Ray, who organized a Vermont Independence forum on campus, said he would support other states’ secessions as well.
“If you look at the U.S. – if you look at the people in Vermont, to people in Georgia, to people in Texas, to the Midwest, to the Northeast, to Florida – we’re so different. We all have different ideas of things that we want out of the government.”
Junior Ian Eshelman said that he thinks the Vermont Independence is “absolutely ridiculous.”
“I think it’s stupid,” he said. “I think the people are looking for attention. If you don’t want to be part of the U.S., then move out. There’s a reason it’s the United States, it’s not the United States minus one state.”
No one is forcing the idea of secession on Vermonters, Naylor said.
“We don’t participate in the Second Vermont Republic and the Vermont independence movement to persuade Vermont to secede,” he said. “They’ll have to decide that for themselves.”
Secessionists don’t see any big difference between the Democratic and Republican parties, Naylor added.
“The great thing about secession is that it’s every American’s birthright,” Williams said. “The conversation about secession just drives a bus through all that liberal-conservative, blue state-red state dichotomy that I think is so absurd.”
For Vermont to secede, two-thirds of the state must pass the vote in a referendum, Wilkinson-Ray said.
“It’s like leaving a marriage,” Bryan said. “You love your kids, and, at a certain level, you love and respect your spouse or your partner. But for the good of us all, divorce might need to occur – but it shouldn’t be a divorce based on hate. There should be tears.”

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Nick
Sat Aug 29 2009 06:11
Joining Canada would only lock the seceded states into NAFTA and the independence from the federal government would only be partial. Read into NAFTA online (very easy to find info online) to understand why seceded states shouldn't join Canada. If the the northeastern region of the US seceded from the Union and formed an independent nation that is based on the fundamental values and governance of the founding fathers and the constitution/bill of rights, I personally would immigrate there. I'm glad that some places in the US haven't lost their sanity and gumption to resist centralized power. I know where I would want to live and it wouldn't be under the Fed, or NAFTA (similar to the EU). Long live the bill of rights and freedom! P.S. I'm not and ld cranky conservative which is a dangerous stereotype. And not all young voters are liberal, and the Federal Reserve is not a part of the government and has no right to call the shots. Obama is in wall street's pocket. There's nothing patriotic about the patriot act, socialism is consolidation of centralized power with a more palatable name for the average American. And Obama offers no change that I can believe in. I could go on and on and on.
Laurel
Mon Aug 17 2009 15:44
I've never understood why Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and the northern part of New York state don't just secede and join Canada. It would be much better for you all for so many levels. Besides these states look like they should be part of Canada just by looking at the map. Alaska should join Canada as well, as should the top third of Minnesota, plus the USA - Canada border along Washington state,Montana, etc should be extended southwards to include an extra 50 miles of land that should really be part of Canada as well. And give them back the rest of Lake Ontario!
John
Wed Jul 22 2009 18:08
Well if Vermont Seceeds From the Union before Texas does, I should hope they will allow immigration cause I personally would LOVE to get out from under the Local Tyrinical Judicial Complex setting themselves up as gods all across the country in district courts. Local district courts acting as sole proprioters for "Delegeating" when our Constitutional Right that come into play are every day abridiging them with their own unlawful brand of Tyranical Despotism. If we had less to worry about looking to Washington District of Clombia and could focous more on our own back yards in our own respective states we could change this WE COULD CHANGE THIS! Its like our states are in a stand off in wanting to protect their citizens with the gun pointed ad D.C. but yet our own Elected officials the Unconstitutional Judges are also in cahouts with the FEDS to rob us of our right from the front and the back. Does anyone hear Lady Liberty Yelling Bloody Murder and Im Being Raped.... No I should say not for we as a citizenry are to focoused on D.C. wrather than paying attention at home. Yes I am from Texas and I support the Secession of Vermont and would not lift a finger in harm to the peoples of Vermont for exercising their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to avail themselves from a tyranical government at a National level to administer a better and more moral government near home. To Vermont may Texas follow your role in sutch Patritisom that would make the Founding Fathers shed a tear, not only to see you go from the Union but also for standing true to what they had intended in the embodyment of the Constitution! Written by John William Layton From Early, Texas
paratracker
Fri Jul 3 2009 20:41
Need someone to write their dissertation on the economic and political realities of secession - compute total monies paid to feds from VT and total money Vermont receives from feds (not including the portion that is deficit spending). You don't want to measure funds received from the feds that they're borrowing to give you. It's just like divorce. When one spouse is a spendthrift and there's just no love left, the sooner you (the thrifty spouse) get the decree signed, the better off you are. If you had 3/4 of the voting age citizenry sign a petition, you'd have it.
Ghost of Lincoln
Wed Jun 24 2009 23:52
I think the idea of secession was settled by the legal precedent of Union v. Confederacy. It's worse now as the feds got the bomb. After reading the comments supporting the secession, I wonder what the Republic of Vermont's language would be - it's certainly not English. Also, finding proper leadership seems to be a problem, as none of the supporters seem to break double digits in IQ. Speaking for the rest of the country, I don't think we'd notice whether Vermont was there or not. Maybe the government would notice, maybe not.
Having grown up in the South, all I can say is: "Save your Dixie cups, for the South shall rise again."
Maple syrup can only get you so far.
Silas
Tue Jun 23 2009 13:11
I'm sure that not just Vermont would secede more than likely quite a few states would leave a big gap on the U.S.A.. There would also be a needed adjoining these states as one consensus this as another country.
If this does happen there would be trade from other foreign countries.

Creating first off state money since Amendment X states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. Another one would be Theodore Roosevelt's plan would allow state to vote on a recognized monetary currency in the state government (d)Gold coin and bullion licensed for the other proper transactions (not involving hoarding) including gold coin and gold bullion imported for the re-export or held pending action on applications for export license. Since there is no "NATIONAL EMERGENCY" this plan will work unless the state government strikes it down.

David
Sun Apr 12 2009 09:40
In my opinion States should have the freedom to leave the USA at will, no reason needed.
Stephen
Sun Mar 29 2009 22:46
Funny...Vermont military units were in the forefront of the assault on States Rights when they ended Southron
secession at the end of a bayonet.
Hyrum
Wed Mar 25 2009 22:15
I would completely support a state or group within a state if they wanted to secede. Nothing is wrong with people governing themselves. As I see it right now the United States, its political parties and economy are all being ruled by a group of people who run the Federal Reserve, and that is wrong.

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